EXPOSING SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISM
Marc Rasell and Russell Kelly dialog, Oct 2009
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14 REASONS WHY THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST DOCTRINE OF DEATH IS WRONG
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GC THE GREAT CONTROVERSY
SDA DOCTRINAL STATEMENT AND COMMENTS
122 Errors in GC Intro, 317-408 (1 of 3)
The Sabbath Has Benn Changed Many Times
1. My Testimony and Introduction
2. Seventh-day Adventism in a Nutshell
3. Biblical Inspiration and Ellen G. White
4. Daniel 8:8-14: Launching Seventh-day Adventism
5. The Sanctuary in Daniel
6. The 2300 Day Prophecy and the Year-Day Principle
7. The Cleansing of Daniel 8:14
8. The Daily Sacrifice
9. Pattern-Fulfillment
10. Sin Transfer into the Sanctuary
Chapter 11: INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT BASIS EXPOSED
11. The Truth about the Biblical Sanctuary
12. Books of Heaven
13. Rooms in the Heavenly Sanctuary
14. Inside the Veil
THE SCAPEGOAT: ARTICLE
15. The Day of Atonement and the Scapegoat
16. Antiochus IV Epiphanes; 164 B.C.
17. Creation Sabbath
18. Weekly Sabbath
19. Shadow Sabbaths
20. Greater and Lesser Sabbaths
21. Jesus and the Sabbath
22. The Sabbath in Acts
23. Christian Liberty and Holy Days
24. The United States, Roman Catholicism and the Mark of the Beast
25. Two Different Three Angels' Messages
SHEOL: CONSCIOUS SOULS; ARTICLE
Appendix 1: Sheol, Abaddon and the Soul
Appendix 2: Hades and the Soul
Appendix 3: Jewelry, Dress Code and Deceit
103 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SOUL AND SHEOL
160 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SABBATH
214 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT
165 ERRORS FROM GC P411-444 (2 OF 3)
50 Errors in GC P563-678 (3 of 3)
1260 YEARS OF INEPT POPES
Achilles' Heel of Seventh-day Adventism: Daniel 8:8-13
BATCHELOR, DOUG; SDA AMAZING FACTS
BRIEF DIALOG WITH AMAZING FACTS
Ben Carson, Dishonest Seventh-day Adventist
BOOK INDEX: SUBJECT-TEXT-GC-BOOK PAGE
Book Reviews and Endorsements
Dialog with SDA Scholar on the Law, 2014
Hell: After-Death Punishmetn
"LAW" IN THE BIBLE
LAW-UNITY TEXTS WHICH DESTROY SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISM
PAPAL WEAKNESSES
Questions on Daniel from an Andrews University Scholar
Marc Rasell and Russell Kelly dialog, Oct 2009
Marc Rasell and Russell Kelly dialog-2, Oct2009
MILLENNIUM: BIBLE VERSUS GREAT CONTROVERSY
SABBATH-BREAKING IS NOT ON SIN LIST AFTER CALVARY
SITE INDEX: TEXT, NAME, WORD
Sunday Blue Law Paranoia of SDAs
TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT FOR ALL MANKIND
UNCLEAN FOOD HISTORY AND LAWS

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Marc Rasell to Russell Kelly, Oct 19, 2009

Followed by Russell Kelly's Reply to Marc Rasell, Oct 23, 2009

Hello Russell

 

I came across your web site, wanted to address some of the things there:

 

“within the veil”

Its unlikely Paul had in mind a veil in the heavenly temple, he speaks of the veil as the body of Christ being torn and so providing direct access to God.

The arguments about which veil it is miss the point that Paul is not addressing this, he is using the earthly tabernacle as a parable (Heb,. 9:9 parabole).

In reference to the heavenly temple he just says that Christ entered the “ta hagia” holy places, but does not specify in which apartment. However the fact that it is a plural suggests there are two apartments in heaven, and if Christ went straight to the most holy the holy place would be redundant.

 

Antiochus IV Epiphanes

-When it says the little horn came from one of “them” that can relate to either the horns or the winds. There is a Hebrew parallelism:

Verse 8 to the four winds (fem.) of the heavens (masc.)

Verse 9 from the one (fem.) from them (masc.)

-Daniel 8:11 reads, “And it made itself great even to the Prince of the host, and from Him was taken away the continual service, and the foundation of His sanctuary was thrown down.” (Literal translation)

Antiochus never threw down the foundation of the sanctuary which literally would mean he would have had to destroy it. Some modern dynamic translations change the wording to make it fit the Antiochus theory but this is unwarranted because the Hebrew is clear. The NIV says, “… and the place of his sanctuary was brought low.” The GNB reads, “… and desecrated the Temple.” These do not accurately translate the meaning of the text.

-It is no where stated in the prophecy that the little horn defiles the sanctuary. Nevertheless many have tried to associate the time when Antiochus defiled the temple to the 2300 evenings and mornings. However Antiochus only defiled the temple for three years which does not fit the 2300 days

- In Daniel 8:23 we learn that the little horn will come at the latter end of the Grecian reign. This cannot be said of Antiochus because he was somewhere in the middle of the Selucid Empire among a number of other kings rather than at the latter end.

- There is a strong parallel between the little horn of Daniel seven which represented Rome, and the little horn of Daniel eight in its geographical stage. This would suggest the little horn is connected pagan and/or papal Rome which is beyond the Antiochus era.

Which Temple

Just a note to say Daniel 2, 7, 8 all end their visions with something in heaven: a rock cut out not by human hands and God’s kingdom, a heavenly judgment scene and the cleansing of the sanctuary. And as both the judgment and cleansing occur after the little horn’s reign of terror they parallel each other.

 

 

Daniel 2

Daniel 7

Daniel 8

Babylon

Gold head

Lion

 

Medo-Persia

Silver arms

Bear

Ram

Greece

Bronze belly

Leopard

Goat

Rome

Iron legs

Terrible beast

Little horn expands geographically

Europe / Papal Rome

Feet of iron and clay

10 horns / little horn

Little horn expands towards heaven

Heavenly Element

Stone from heaven / God’s kingdom

Judgment / saints receive kingdom

Cleansing of the sanctuary

 

The year day principle

This is derived principally from the 70 weeks of Daniel 9. The words Shabua is used for weeks. To say they are weeks of years is not found in the Hebrew text. The most common use for the phrase is in the expression feast of weeks which are literal weeks.

The word is distinguished from “sevens” because it has different vowel pointing.

 

Nisdaq = cleansed

This word in the passive form only occurs once and the meaning has been lost so modern translators try to reconstruct it from the root verb. Most ancient translations said it meant cleansed. The word has a broad spectrum of meanings including cleansed.

 

Evenings and mornings

Never refer to the sacrifices which are always “morning and evening”. The translators of the LXX added the word days to their translation.

 

Anointing of the sanctuary with blood

See Hebrews 9:21

This refers to inauguration rather than final cleansing. That the sanctuary itself was cleansed is stated in Leviticus 16:16 at the end of the year, the link to the people’s sins is indirect.

 

In the holy place

According to Revelation 4-5 which uses imagery of the holy place: a door into heaven, incense, seven spirits, Jesus is there before the throne. The earthly tabernacle was a shadow or copy of the reality in heaven, so there are some differences.

The word “tabnit” in the Hebrew is used for a pattern or blueprint and usually signified something real it is based upon. See 2 Kings 16:10; Ex. 25:9, 40.

The heavenly temple is also referred to in Psalm 11:4; 2 Sam 22:7; Psalm 18:6; Micah 1:2; Habakkuk 2:20; Psalm 102:19; Psalm 150:1.

 

The Sabbath as a type

Yes, but not all type are temporary shadows, e.g. marriage. Marriage is a type of our relationship with Christ but we don’t suggest it is obsolete. Only types given after the fall involving animal sacrifices were temporary.

 

The weekly cycle

What about Jacob’s marriage week? And Noah who sent the dove out every seven days.

 

The scapegoat

-One goat was for the Lord and the other for Azazel which the most ancient Jewish and Christian sources attributed to an evil being. The fact that the Lord is a personal being suggests that Azazel is also a personal being.

-The rite of the scapegoat was only preformed after the sanctuary had been cleansed (Lev. 16:20).

-This goat was not sacrificed but led out into the wilderness to perish; it was not a sin offering for the people as the Lord’s goat was (Lev. 16:15).

-We find a fulfilment of this during the millennium (Revelation 20:1-4) when Satan is bound figuratively to the desolate earth for a thousand years. Then he will be banished from the presence of God and His people, and finally be destroyed. Sin returns to where it originated from and is blotted out.

 

Soul sleep

The concept of an immortal soul separate from the body conflicts with the resurrection of the dead – John 5:28-29; 1 Thess. 4; 1 Cor. 15. Peter in Acts said David was dead in his tomb and had not ascended to heaven. Jesus said Lazarus had fallen asleep. Jesus said in John 14 he was going away to prepare a place for us and when he returns he will take us to be where he is. It is on his second coming that we are taken to heaven, as Paul said the living shall not preceed the dead in Christ. Daniel spoke of the dead awaking out of their sleep at the end in Daniel 12.

 

Transfer of sin to sanctuary

-When someone committed a sin and repented of it, he would bring a sacrificial animal to be slaughtered (Leviticus 5:5-6, 10). He would confess his sin and then the priest would make atonement for him and he would be forgiven.

-During this rite the guilty person would lay his hands on the animal signifying a transference of guilt to the innocent animal (Leviticus 4:29; 16:21). The laying on of hands is used in the Bible to signify transfer, such as to transfer guilt to a blasphemer before stoning him (Lev. 24:14), or when installing someone in a new office (Num. 27:18; 8:10; 1 Tim. 4:14), in the giving of the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:18), and it is also used for healings (Mark 9:18; 16:18; Acts 28:8).

-In the sacrificial rites we have a picture of Jesus, the Lamb of God who came to take away the sins of the world (John 1:29). The paradox is that the one who was totally innocent was counted as guilty so that the guilty would be counted as innocent. A strange transfer took place in the sacrificial service, the guilty escaped death by the death of the innocent lamb.

 

Jesus and the Sabbath

-Isaiah speaks of righteous gentiles keeping the Sabbath

-Jesus never broke the Sabbath according to God’s law only by the man made rules of the Pharisees Matthew 15/Mark 7

-He upheld the moral law as did Paul and James: Matthew 5:17-19; Romans 3:20, 31; 7:12; James 2:9-10; Ephesians 6:1-2

-All of the 10 commandments can be found in principle in the OT, for example Cain murdered Abel, Joseph refused to commit adultery etc. And the Sabbath was made holy at Creation Gen. 2:2-3

 

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Russell Kelly to Marc Rasell, October 24, 2009

 

To Marc Rasell from Russell Kelly

October 23, 2009

 

1.  WITHIN THE VEIL:

 

Russ: Your comments about the veil are good but they are contrary to what EGW and SDAs have always taught. Ellen G White made a big deal out of the veil ---not me. She was wrong. Since Christ was the veil and, since the veil separated the holy from the most holy, then logic teaches that the heavenly sanctuary does not have a veil separating two rooms.

 

Christ entered into the Presence of the Father and sat down at His right hand as his ascension. That absolutely must mean that he has been in the MHP since his ascension and SDA theology is wrong.

 

2.      ANTIOCHUS IV EPIPHANES:

 

Russ: Daniel 8:8-9 could refer to either a horn or a direction. SDAs teach that "out of one of them" refers to one of the "winds" --or Rome in the West. Others say it must refer to one of the four "horns" which replaced Alexander the Great --the Seleucids.

 

A. The SDA argument is weak because no new "animal" arose to replace the goat of Greece. The pattern in Daniel 2 was to bring up a new metal and the pattern in Daniel 7 and 8 was to bring up a new animal for a new kingdom.

 

B. The SDA position is even weaker when it teaches that the three little horns in Daniel 7 were the Arian Ostrogoths, Heruli and Vandals. However the prophecy has them being part of the Roman beast but these three were never part of pagan Rome.

 

3.  Marc argued that Antiochus never "cast down the foundation of the sanctuary.

 

A. Antiochus did kill many Jews, cast out the high priest and destroy the great altar of burnt offering by offering a pig on it (8:10-11). This stopped sanctuary usage until it was cleansed from defilement.

 

B. Neither did the Roman Catholic Church literally cast down the sanctuary.

 

C. The only way SDAs try to justify these texts is to combine pagan Rome with Papal Rome.

 

D. SDAs teach that the RCC figuratively cast down the sanctuary in heaven when it introduced the confessional.  I reply that Antiochus' actions are much closer to the fulfilment than is the figurative confessional in the 12th century.

 

E. We both point out that the Roman Empire which literally threw down the sanctuary in AD70 is a type of the Antichrist. In Mt 24:15 Jesus connects Antiochus with the Antichrist. There is no connection between Antiochus and the RC Church. This argument is at the most a draw.

 

F.  If the SDA 2300 years began in BC 457, that should be the beginning point of the little horn's desolations. However neither pagan Rome nor papal Rome did anything in BC 457. This is a serious SDA error.

 

4.  Marc said "Antiochus only defiled the temple for three years which does not fit the 2300 days."

 

A.  2300 days is 6.4 years. It does fit the period 171 to 165 BC when Antiochus began his oppression. 2300 cycles of evening and morning sacrifices is also 3.2 years which fits the period 168 to 165 BC

 

B. If Antiochus does not fit the 2300 days, then the SDA 2300 years certainly does not fit! SDAs had to invent an entirely new interpretation to force it to fit in order to explain William Miller's false prophecy of the end of the world in 1844. Nobody, absolutely nobody, agrees with you that Jesus entered into the MHP to begin judging believers in 1844. And you accuse us of things which "do not fit"!!!

 

C. If the Bible teaches a day-for-a-year principle to be used in prophecy, and if the one-day-a-year is a prophecy to begin in 1844, then the Day of Atonement should have lasted from 1844 to 1845. How do you justify saying that the prophetic Day of Atonement has already lasted 165 years? (2009-1844)

 

5.  Marc said: "In Daniel 8:23 we learn that the little horn will come at the latter end of the Grecian reign. This cannot be said of Antiochus because he was somewhere in the middle of the Seleucid Empire among a number of other kings rather than at the latter end."

 

A. Biblical prophecy focuses on national Israel. As far as Israel was concerned Antiochus IV did indeed come as the LAST of the Seleucid rulers over Israel. The next non-Jewish ruler over Israel would be pagan Rome in AD 64.

 

B. The prophecy is clear that the giant goat horn of Alexander would be replaced by his four generals.  That is historically accurate in Greece, Macedonia, Syria Seleucids and Egypt. Again no new animal was introduced in Daniel 8.

 

C. Since SDAs cannot credit this to the RCC, they claim that pagan Rome and papal Rome are the same power in prophetic history. You have to ignore the fact that pagan Rome persecuted the early church from its beginning until AD 325. And even then the early church was only one of many religions within pagan Rome for until AD 476. Your blending of pagan Roman and papal Rome is about 450 years out of its historical context.

 

6.  WHICH TEMPLE:

Marc said "Just a note to say Daniel 2, 7, 8 all end their visions with something in heaven."

 

A. I disagree. My Bible ends chapters two and seven with God's kingdom on earth which your doctrine of the millennium totally ignores.

 

B. You accept your myth as a fact in chapter 8 and then argue from your myth. The sanctuary immediately before 8:14 is almost universally interpreted to be the Temple in Jerusalem in 8:10-12. And it is absolutely clear that the sanctuary in chapter 9 is the Temple in Jerusalem. Your interpretation of a heavenly sanctuary in 8:14 is completely out of context even in Daniel.

 

C. In chapter 9 Daniel was grieving about the literal sanctuary on Earth which had been destroyed. How would a cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary 2300 years in the future be a consolation for Daniel?

 

7.      THE YEAR DAY PRINCIPLE:

Marc said "This is derived principally from the 70 weeks of Daniel 9."

 

A. You should read a lot more SDA literature. The source is almost always Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6. The Hebrew of Daniel 9 can stand on its own without resorting to Numbers 14:34. And did anybody ever tell you that the vowel markings were not introduced into the Hebrew text until 700-800 years after Calvary?

 

B.  There is no connection the Sabbath years of Daniel 9:24 and the ereb-boqer of 8:14.  

 

8.  Nisdaq = cleansed

Marc said "Most ancient translations said it meant cleansed."

 

A. The NAS reads "then will be properly restored." The NIV reads "then will be reconsecrated." The RSV reads "then shall be restored to its rightful state." The acts of the little horn were to END at the END of the 2300 days. SDAs teach that they would "begin to end"!!! How do you justify your misuse of the text?

 

B. TSA-DEK is almost always understood to mean "righteous." Check out Strongs' #6663.

 

C. If God had wanted us to connect it to the cleansing of the Day of Atonement, He would have surely used the word TAHER. Almost ALL of the modern translations have it correct.

 

9.  EVENING AND MORNING:

Marc said "Evenings and mornings

never refer to the sacrifices which are always “morning and evening”.

 

A. Lev 24:3 Without the vail of the testimony, in the tabernacle of the congregation, shall Aaron order it from the evening unto the morning before the LORD continually: it shall be a statute for ever in your generations.

 

B. I suppose Leviticus 24:3 is not in your Bible. This is the first use in the heart of the ceremonial worship ordinance.

 

C. Since the Hebrew day began at sunset with the evening sacrifice, common sense tells us that Daniel 8:14 would have been understood as normal days.

 

D. What gives you the authority to insist on interpreting Daniel 8:14 as prophetic years?

 

10. Marc wrote: Anointing of the sanctuary with blood. See Hebrews 9:21. This refers to inauguration rather than final cleansing."

 

A.  Yes, it does refer to inauguration. When Jesus entered heaven he inaugurated the New Covenant once and for all time.

 

B. There is no indication that the heavenly sanctuary was ever defied or ever required a cleansing. It is incredible to teach that God's dwelling place could even be defiled.

 

11. Marc wrote "That the sanctuary itself was cleansed is stated in Leviticus 16:16 at the end of the year, the link to the people’s sins is indirect."

 

A.  The earthly sanctuary required cleansing because it was located "in the midst" of several million sinners. That is not true of the heavenly sanctuary.

 

B. The blood shed on the Day of Atonement did exactly the same thing as the blood shed every day of the year. It washed away sin at the entrance and it was presented to God as proof that the redemption price had been paid.

 

C.  The only difference between the Day of Atonement and other days was to cover sins of ignorance which had not been previously confessed. And only minor sins of ignorance, accidental swearing and theft were brought to the sanctuary. Major presumptuous sins were brought to the judges and disciplined harshly. See Lev 4 and Heb 10:26 also.

 

12.  IN THE HOLY PLACE:

Marc wrote: According to Revelation 4-5 which uses imagery of the holy place: a door into heaven, incense, seven spirits, Jesus is there before the throne. The earthly tabernacle was a shadow or copy of the reality in heaven, so there are some differences.

 

A.  Revelation 4 and 5 are a picture of the throne room of God where no veil exists. All items of furniture are in the same room. Your attempt to place the scene only in the first compartment is ridiculous.

 

B. Revelation was written before AD 100. This is about 1744 years before the SDA church says it really happened.

 

13.  THE SABBATH AS A TYPE:

Marc said "Yes, but not all type are temporary shadows, e.g. marriage. … Only types given after the fall involving animal sacrifices were temporary."

 

A.  The seventh-day Sabbath given to national Israel after its removal from slavery was merely a type of the original pre-sin Sabbath in which man rested 7 days a week and 24 hours a day.

 

B.  The Saturday seventh-day Sabbath was only commanded to Israel in Ex 31:13-17 and God did not command Israel to share its covenant with Gentiles who did not dwell with them as circumcised.

 

14. THE SCAPEGOAT:

Marc said: "One goat was for the Lord and the other for Azazel which the most ancient Jewish and Christian sources attributed to an evil being."

 

A.  The Bible does not say that the scapegoat "was" Azazel. It was "for" Azazel.

 

B. BOTH were offered alive before the Lord "as a sin offering." All sin offerings became MOST HOLY (Num 18:9). If the scapegoat were Satan, the high priest would have been defiled when he placed his hands on him.

 

15. Marc wrote: The fact that the Lord is a personal being suggests that Azazel is also a personal being.

 

Jesus died outside the camp, outside the holy camp of God's people --in Satan's camp. The fact that Jesus died in Azazel's domain does not make Jesus Azazel.

 

16: Marc: -The rite of the scapegoat was only preformed after the sanctuary had been cleansed (Lev. 16:20).

 

A.  The rite involving the scapegoat BEGAN when the congregation chose two equally qualified goats to present to God as ONE sin offering.

 

B. The choosing of the goat "for Azazel" was an essential part of the removal of sin determined BEFORE the shedding of blood.

 

17.  Marc : -This goat was not sacrificed but led out into the wilderness to perish; it was not a sin offering for the people as the Lord’s goat was (Lev. 16:15).

 

A.  It certainly was a sin offering. TWO GOATS for ONE SIN OFFERING.

 

Lev 16:5 And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.

 

Lev 16:7 And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

[THIS MAKES THEM BOTH MOST HOLY.]

 

Lev 16:10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

 

B.  A similar event occurred two chapters before chapter 16 when a leprous house was cleansed. Two birds were chosen; both birds cleansed the house --the one which died and the living bird.

 

Lev 14:49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:

Lev 14:50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:

Lev 14:51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:

Lev 14:52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:

Lev 14:53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.

Lev 14:54 This is the law for all manner of plague of leprosy, and scall.

 

18.  SOUL SLEEP:

 

A. We can trade texts all day. The resurrection of the body was not the only or first reward for believers --it was the final reward.

 

B. Enoch, Moses and Elijah went to heaven before "necessary" SDA Investigate Judgment began in 1844.

 

C. Jesus would not use a pagan error to illustrate his parable of Lazarus and the rich man. One does not use error to illustrate truth.

 

D. I believe that the "great cloud of witnesses" of Hebrews 12:1 refers to the saints of Hebrews 11 in heaven.

 

E. Jesus' reference in John 14:1-3 is before Calvary when the souls of saints resided in the upper regions of Sheol instead of heaven.

 

F. The word Sheol is translated wrong by SDAs as grave. It is never only the grave. It includes both the residence of the soul and the place of the body. 65 OT texts prove you wrong.

 

G.  The fact that Saul consulted a witch proves that OT Hebrews believed that the soul exists outside the body.

 

19.  Transfer of sin to sanctuary

 

A. Everything you said about the transfer of sin is correct. It is what you omitted about SDA theology which is wrong. Sin was not brought into the sanctuary to defile it. That is contrary to all of the holiness requirements of the sanctuary.

 

B.  Atoned sins of ignorance were washed away at the doorway of the sanctuary where the sacrifice died. The sin was not brought into the sanctuary to defile it.

 

C. Presumptuous sin was brought to the judges and disciplined by them.

 

20.  Jesus and the Sabbath

Marc: -Isaiah speaks of righteous gentiles keeping the Sabbath.

 

A.  Isa 56:6 only includes those Gentiles who become circumcised and agree to observe Israel's covenant. It does not include Gentiles outside of their covenant.

 

B.  Ex 31:13-17 says that the Sabbath was a sign of the Old Covenant with national Israel. Not one missionary was ever sent out to convert Gentiles to the Law or Sabbath. Period.

 

21. Marc: -Jesus never broke the Sabbath according to God’s law only by the man made rules of the Pharisees Matthew 15/Mark 7

 

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

 

A. Jesus must have kept all parts of the law in order to redeem those under the law. Of course He kept the Sabbath. He also kept all of the law which pertained to Jewish men. Your argument proves nothing.

 

B. Jesus did not command any Gentile whom he healed to show themselves to the priests, but he did command the Jew to do so.

 

C. Jesus would not have commanded disobedience to any of the law.

 

22. Marc: -He upheld the moral law as did Paul and James: Matthew 5:17-19; Romans 3:20, 31; 7:12; James 2:9-10; Ephesians 6:1-2

 

A. Jesus equally upheld all 600+ commands of the law. This is clear from Matthew 5:19-48 where all three parts of the law are given equal importance.

 

B.  The moral law is found throughout the Bible. Romans 1:18-20 and 2:14-16 illustrate the moral law from nature, creation and conscience. The principle of rest is found in moral law, but not the principles of a certain day.

 

23. Marc: -All of the 10 commandments can be found in principle in the OT …  And the Sabbath was made holy at Creation Gen. 2:2-3

 

A.  You are defining moral law wrong and are inconsistent. Read Romans 3 and discover that Paul was quoting Psalms and Isaiah for moral law.

 

B.  The Sabbath of Gen 2 is pre-sin and lasted as long as Adam and Eve lived in the garden before sin. There is no evening and morning of the first Creation Sabbath. Hebrews 4:3 restores believers to that state of being.

 

 

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